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by Rod D. Martin and Eric Metaxas
October 14, 2026
Bianca de la Garza, Eric Metaxas and I discuss my new book Trump’s New World Re-Order: Dismantling the Deep State and Ending Postwar Globalist Rule.
In this interview:
Why Trump’s strategy looks chaotic, but isn’t
Elections have to matter
Restoring American manufacturing, investment, and leadership
Eric Metaxas on why he wanted to publish my book
Constitutional liberty and a more prosperous world
It’s a quick 7 minutes you won’t want to miss. Watch, like, and share!
Our Full Discussion:
Donald Trump (archival clip): It’s time to drain the swamp in Washington, D.C.
Bianca de la Garza: The slogan heard around the world: President Trump drained the swamp. That was a Wisconsin campaign speech almost 10 years ago, exactly today, running for his first term in the Oval Office. And now, as we see where the world is going, President Trump, of course, now in his second term, reshaping politics, putting America first, and ensuring the U.S. regained its stance on the world stage.
I’m pleased to bring in right now the next guest, Rod D. Martin, the founder and CEO of Martin Capital and The Rod Martin Report. He’s the former special counsel to PayPal founder and former CEO Peter Thiel. And his new book just dropped. It is called Trump’s New World Re-Order.
Also joining us today, Eric Metaxas, the founder and host of Socrates in the City, The Eric Metaxas Show, and author of his bestselling book, Revolution. And by the way, he wrote the foreword for Rod’s book. So this is why we put you guys together.
But Rod, it’s such a pleasure to see you as we are just weeks away from the midterms. And your book is a fascinating read. You take the point that this is a real decision between a dark age, a golden age, and Trump being sort of a counter-FDR. Explain that.
Rod D. Martin: Well, that’s exactly right. And, you know, people view Trump as some kind of chaos monster. Everything feels disconnected. No, guys: go back and read his books. He wrote a bunch of them. He told you he was going to do that. That is his negotiating style.
But what he has is a masterfully laid-out plan to restore the meaning of elections in America by dismantling the deep state, draining that swamp, getting rid of that unelected, unaccountable, unfireable fourth branch of government that simply is not constitutionally permitted. All of those agencies are part of the executive branch. Article II is clear. They have to be responsible to the elected president, which means the voters.
And second, overseas, creating a new world re-order — not the old “new world order,” but a new world re-order in which America actually leads instead of just paying the bills. That is a sea change. That’s an epochal transformation that lasts, if we don’t blow it, through the end of this century.
Bianca de la Garza: Well, if we don’t blow it or if, you know, AI doesn’t come and destroy us all, I guess, has been part of the discussion here. I’ll get to that in a minute. I want to just play a little bit of what J.D. Vance just said in a very important state, you know, the Rust Belt, Ohio, because we’re hearing so much of left-wing media talking about the war and affordability. But he talks about the strides that are being made, Eric, to really make sure Americans are back to work and participating in the economy. And it starts a lot with manufacturing. I just want to revisit this soundbite here.
J.D. Vance (clip): If we don’t continue to reindustrialize the country, all the incredible advantages that we’ve seen over the last couple of years, they can disappear and even go in the other direction. $19 trillion in new investment, that’s thousands and thousands of new companies, new factories, new jobs. All of that can go away if we elect a bunch of communists who want to make it easier to ship American jobs overseas.
Bianca de la Garza: There’s a big decision there, full stop. You hit on the history in your book, Revolution, but talk to us about Rod’s book here and why you were writing the foreword, Eric, and this is such an important topic for all Americans to read up on now.
Eric Metaxas: Why I Wanted to Publish Rod’s Book
Eric Metaxas: Well, yes, first of all, thank you, Bianca. I assume everyone listening has already bought at least one copy of my book, Revolution. I’m just assuming that because I want them to buy Rod’s book. Not only did I write the foreword to the book, I’m not joking, I am so excited about what Rod has done in this book — and I explain it in the foreword — that I wanted to publish the book.
I’ve started a publishing imprint, Odysseus Books. I said, “I want to publish this book. I want to push this book.”
Americans need to know what the president is doing. The problem with geniuses like President Trump is that sometimes they’re geniuses, they’re kind of clever, and they don’t want to tell you. They’re playing the game with their enemies where they’re doing this stuff, and it looks confusing. That’s what Rod says, right? But what is he really doing?
Rod explains to us what the president is actually doing, and he does it so brilliantly in this new book, Trump’s New World Re-Order. I said, “Americans need to know what their president is doing.” It is magnificent, and when you see it, you can’t help but rejoice. You can’t help but applaud. You can’t help but want to run to the polls so that we can keep Congress and the Senate, but you kind of need to know behind the scenes.
In this book, Trump’s New World Re-Order, it pulls that off, and I thought, I mean, it’s one thing to get J.D. Vance up there and to get these people out there explaining it, but if you want it all together so you can see what this president is actually doing, it’s mind-boggling.
Bianca de la Garza: Well, I’ll give Rod the final word because the book really does encapsulate a lot of what people need to know, but also in a way where they can share it because I think they’re also able to converse after they distill some of these, what seems to be complicated. But you really break it down on what are our values, our vision as Americans, and for the world, Rod, and that’s something that is information that people need before they go to vote.
Rod D. Martin: Well, and first of all, thank you for that. I really appreciate that. That was certainly what I was seeking to do. I want people to understand the value of the liberty we have, of the incredible constitutional order we were given, and that we largely put on a shelf for the last 90 years.
Donald Trump is restoring that in concrete ways that are going to be very, very difficult to undo, and the net result of that — plus the reordering of our global relations, whether it’s trade or defense or containing the Chinese communist threat or straightening out the Middle East or getting NATO right — whatever it is you’re looking at, we’re talking about creating a freer, better, more prosperous order. As technology does bound forward, and we’re going to see space development, and all these different things, America needs to lead that.
Bianca de la Garza: We know this is an important conversation. Congratulations on the book as it has dropped now. Eric, always good to have you as well. Gentlemen, we appreciate your thoughtful comments today as we are just weeks away from the critical midterms.
Rod D. Martin: Thank you.
Eric Metaxas: Thank you.
