The typical Southern Baptist such as myself had no clue all this was going on. Not good. Thanks for making us aware Rod. What to do about it is another matter.
Things seem to be moving back in the right direction, but not strongly enough. If at all possible, I encourage you to become a messenger in June and come to the Annual Meeting in Orlando, in part to vote for Willy Rice for SBC President. Two years of his appointments would make a big difference.
I had no idea there was such a step-by-step ideological capturing process, yet that is exactly what we lived through recently in the United Methodist Church as well. We, and many churches along with us, were completely snookered by the way the left wielded the administrative process to win.
Jokes on them though, the leftists now running the UMC lost 30% of the churches in the US, but over half of the membership and last fall announced they had to revise their annual budgets down by over 60% based on projected giving.
I remember well when the terrific documentary on the phony SBC Abuse Scandal scandal came out, this is basically that documentary in article form. Gary North's 1996 book Crossed Fingers proved to be prophetic. Former SBC employee the late Jennifer Lyell accused seminary professor David Stills of sexually abusing her and Pastor Mike Stone of accosting and attacking her. She was represented by lawyer and abuse survivor Rachel Denhollander. The SBC was accused of being complicit in the abuse because they invoked attorney-client privilege and other legal protections. Southern Seminary President Albert Mohler admonished the SBC to waive attorney-client privilege because the denomination would "long remember" those who resisted, all while refusing to do so at his own institution. Under a ton of pressure, the SBC Executive Committee voted to wave client-attorney privilege. They were later proven to have been played when the Biden Justice Department cleared the SBC of any wrongdoing.
A compliance audit by attorney and former Air Force officer Amy McDougall further found that the SBC's chosen investigative firm, Guidepost Solutions, lacked license and departed from standard investigative practice. McDougall's report also uncovered substantial conflicts of interest, including Denhollander serving as attorney for the accuser, advisor to the task force, contributor to the abuse hotline, and the final report. David Stills and Mike Stone were surprise, surprise, both proven to have been 100% innocent. The SBC was left structurally weakened and with leadership turnover, depleted reserves and ongoing litigation. I am a mainline, Liberal Luthern not a Southern Baptist, but I encourage everyone to vote for Dr. Willy Rice to be the next SBC President as he is a good and honest man who would make much needed reforms and get wokeness out of the Church!
The Me-Too moment is long since over thank God! In America, everyone is innocent until to proven guilty. Don't believe, don't believe men, believe evidence. Don't dismiss women out of hand who say they've been sexually assaulted or raped? Of course. But we can't just accept as fact any allegations they make either. We must give both parties the benefit of the doubt and do a proper and impartial investigation. The Me-Too Movement had some good effects but overall was a horrible thing for America that damaged gender relations and was a witch hunt in which many innocent men were accused of things they didn't do. Richard Dreyfuss, George Takai, Kevin Spacey, Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Casey Affleck, Alfred Hitchcock, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jackson, and Cesar Chavez were all accused of sexual or child abuse that either was proven to have never happened or nor was any evidence ever found for.
Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanugh were both accused of sexual misconduct when they up for the Supreme Court. The Democrats pushed both these charges quite heavily. But both were proven to have no evidence to substantiate either of them. Pablo Picasso's granddaughter Marina accused her grandfather of abusing her grandmother and being a sexual predator. But the only evidence we have for this is hearsay. Michael Jackson was accused by four boys both when he was alive and after his death. No evidence was ever found to corroborate their stories and in fact a ton of evidence has emerged giving us reason for doubt. It is time for us as a culture to evolve and stop believing allegations made against someone and destroying their reputations simply because someone says they did something heinous. The late Kobe Bryant was accused of rape in 2003, but the relationship was proven on court to have been consensual. Elvis Presley has even been accused by people of being a groomer because he met and fell in love with his wife Priscilla when she was 14.
Okay first off, that was a different time when such an age gap would’ve been acceptable. Second, Priscilla herself has said Elvis respected the fact she was 14, and that their relationship was initially not physical. Lastly, they were not married until she turned 21. He was kind, gentle and respected her age. President Donald Trump has been falsely accused of sexual misconduct dozens of times. At the end of the day, facts are what matter NOT feelings! Of course, no one wants legitimate victims of sexual abuse to not be believed. That’s a terrible thing, no doubt. But we need to have concrete proof against someone before immediately labeling them a monster. Justice for victims matters, but so does protecting innocent men and due process of law. The SBC is a cautionary tale of why we must balance these two things in our society and not go too far in one direction or another.
It's a shakedown. Each Baptist Church is independent. Both financially and legally as it should be. SBC is helpful in many ways but also as a man made organizational structure it is not Biblical and does not represent individual churches. Nor should it. Liberals and liberal progressive law firms have perfected the multi pronged attack on large hierarchical organizations. The individual church in question should pay the price, not all SBC affiliated churches.
Of course, here Russell Moore accused the Executive Committee of hiding sex abuse of children at the entity itself, never mind that if I were guessing there probably hasn't been a child in that building more than a time or two in decades. But he did this shortly after the EC began investigating Russell's handling of money at the ERLC, so the motive was always clear if anyone wanted to see.
Tired of all the Me-Too hysteria and everyone going around accusing everyone else of sexual abuse or harassment without proof? Pick up these volumes today which you will find most refreshing:
* Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case by Stuart Taylor Jr. & K.C. Johnson
* Unwanted Advances: Sexual Paranoia Comes to Campus by Laura Kipnis
* The Campus Rape Frenzy: The Attack on Due Process at America's Universities by Stuart Taylor Jr. & K.C. Johnson
* Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women by Christina Hoff Sommers
* The War Against Boys: How Misguided Policies Are Harming Our Young Men by Christina Hoff Sommers
* War on Men: Why Society Hates Them and Why We Need Them by Owen Strachan
* Why Boys Fail: Saving Our Sons from an Educational System That's Leaving Them Behind by Richard Whitmire
* Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do about It by Richard V. Reeves
The typical Southern Baptist such as myself had no clue all this was going on. Not good. Thanks for making us aware Rod. What to do about it is another matter.
Things seem to be moving back in the right direction, but not strongly enough. If at all possible, I encourage you to become a messenger in June and come to the Annual Meeting in Orlando, in part to vote for Willy Rice for SBC President. Two years of his appointments would make a big difference.
I had no idea there was such a step-by-step ideological capturing process, yet that is exactly what we lived through recently in the United Methodist Church as well. We, and many churches along with us, were completely snookered by the way the left wielded the administrative process to win.
Jokes on them though, the leftists now running the UMC lost 30% of the churches in the US, but over half of the membership and last fall announced they had to revise their annual budgets down by over 60% based on projected giving.
Yes, I'm certainly proud of you guys. Stay faithful.
I remember well when the terrific documentary on the phony SBC Abuse Scandal scandal came out, this is basically that documentary in article form. Gary North's 1996 book Crossed Fingers proved to be prophetic. Former SBC employee the late Jennifer Lyell accused seminary professor David Stills of sexually abusing her and Pastor Mike Stone of accosting and attacking her. She was represented by lawyer and abuse survivor Rachel Denhollander. The SBC was accused of being complicit in the abuse because they invoked attorney-client privilege and other legal protections. Southern Seminary President Albert Mohler admonished the SBC to waive attorney-client privilege because the denomination would "long remember" those who resisted, all while refusing to do so at his own institution. Under a ton of pressure, the SBC Executive Committee voted to wave client-attorney privilege. They were later proven to have been played when the Biden Justice Department cleared the SBC of any wrongdoing.
A compliance audit by attorney and former Air Force officer Amy McDougall further found that the SBC's chosen investigative firm, Guidepost Solutions, lacked license and departed from standard investigative practice. McDougall's report also uncovered substantial conflicts of interest, including Denhollander serving as attorney for the accuser, advisor to the task force, contributor to the abuse hotline, and the final report. David Stills and Mike Stone were surprise, surprise, both proven to have been 100% innocent. The SBC was left structurally weakened and with leadership turnover, depleted reserves and ongoing litigation. I am a mainline, Liberal Luthern not a Southern Baptist, but I encourage everyone to vote for Dr. Willy Rice to be the next SBC President as he is a good and honest man who would make much needed reforms and get wokeness out of the Church!
The Me-Too moment is long since over thank God! In America, everyone is innocent until to proven guilty. Don't believe, don't believe men, believe evidence. Don't dismiss women out of hand who say they've been sexually assaulted or raped? Of course. But we can't just accept as fact any allegations they make either. We must give both parties the benefit of the doubt and do a proper and impartial investigation. The Me-Too Movement had some good effects but overall was a horrible thing for America that damaged gender relations and was a witch hunt in which many innocent men were accused of things they didn't do. Richard Dreyfuss, George Takai, Kevin Spacey, Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Casey Affleck, Alfred Hitchcock, Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jackson, and Cesar Chavez were all accused of sexual or child abuse that either was proven to have never happened or nor was any evidence ever found for.
Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanugh were both accused of sexual misconduct when they up for the Supreme Court. The Democrats pushed both these charges quite heavily. But both were proven to have no evidence to substantiate either of them. Pablo Picasso's granddaughter Marina accused her grandfather of abusing her grandmother and being a sexual predator. But the only evidence we have for this is hearsay. Michael Jackson was accused by four boys both when he was alive and after his death. No evidence was ever found to corroborate their stories and in fact a ton of evidence has emerged giving us reason for doubt. It is time for us as a culture to evolve and stop believing allegations made against someone and destroying their reputations simply because someone says they did something heinous. The late Kobe Bryant was accused of rape in 2003, but the relationship was proven on court to have been consensual. Elvis Presley has even been accused by people of being a groomer because he met and fell in love with his wife Priscilla when she was 14.
Okay first off, that was a different time when such an age gap would’ve been acceptable. Second, Priscilla herself has said Elvis respected the fact she was 14, and that their relationship was initially not physical. Lastly, they were not married until she turned 21. He was kind, gentle and respected her age. President Donald Trump has been falsely accused of sexual misconduct dozens of times. At the end of the day, facts are what matter NOT feelings! Of course, no one wants legitimate victims of sexual abuse to not be believed. That’s a terrible thing, no doubt. But we need to have concrete proof against someone before immediately labeling them a monster. Justice for victims matters, but so does protecting innocent men and due process of law. The SBC is a cautionary tale of why we must balance these two things in our society and not go too far in one direction or another.
Due process is important for everyone, even if it is sometimes inconvenient for some. Some of the ones who find it inconvenient are lying.
It's a shakedown. Each Baptist Church is independent. Both financially and legally as it should be. SBC is helpful in many ways but also as a man made organizational structure it is not Biblical and does not represent individual churches. Nor should it. Liberals and liberal progressive law firms have perfected the multi pronged attack on large hierarchical organizations. The individual church in question should pay the price, not all SBC affiliated churches.
Of course, here Russell Moore accused the Executive Committee of hiding sex abuse of children at the entity itself, never mind that if I were guessing there probably hasn't been a child in that building more than a time or two in decades. But he did this shortly after the EC began investigating Russell's handling of money at the ERLC, so the motive was always clear if anyone wanted to see.
Tired of all the Me-Too hysteria and everyone going around accusing everyone else of sexual abuse or harassment without proof? Pick up these volumes today which you will find most refreshing:
* Until Proven Innocent: Political Correctness and the Shameful Injustices of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case by Stuart Taylor Jr. & K.C. Johnson
* Unwanted Advances: Sexual Paranoia Comes to Campus by Laura Kipnis
* The Campus Rape Frenzy: The Attack on Due Process at America's Universities by Stuart Taylor Jr. & K.C. Johnson
* Who Stole Feminism?: How Women Have Betrayed Women by Christina Hoff Sommers
* The War Against Boys: How Misguided Policies Are Harming Our Young Men by Christina Hoff Sommers
* War on Men: Why Society Hates Them and Why We Need Them by Owen Strachan
* Why Boys Fail: Saving Our Sons from an Educational System That's Leaving Them Behind by Richard Whitmire
* Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do about It by Richard V. Reeves
And of course, Megan Basham's brilliant "Shepherds for Sale".