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George S. Bardmesser's avatar

I'll be honest here... While there is no question that the Deep State needs to be heavily pruned, all these "controversies" from the 1960s are just distractions. How many people are even alive today, who were adults in 1963? How many MKUltra subjects are still alive today?

If this "raid" really did take place as described, then Trump should fire whichever CIA official ordered it. SOMEBODY gave the order - so fire him as an example to others.

There are surely bigger fish to fry than redactions in documents about half-century-old events.

Rod D. Martin's avatar

If someone defied the DNI, then there's something bigger afoot, and the insubordination alone is indicative of it. And while I would have agreed with you normally about the JFK and MKUltra files, I have to admit, the fact that anyone with knowledge of them still cares about them seems more than a little suspicious.

Noah Otte's avatar

Thank you, Roger Stone for an excellent article! 👏👏👏 I must strongly disagree with everything George above said. These files matter because A) the public has the right to know the truth about these historical events which we have not gotten. B) Real human lives were effected because of these events. C) Whether other life exists out there is the universe or if that life has visited us and the government has evidence of it is are both important questions that need to be answered. If the answer is yes, again, the public has a right to know. The CIA stealing files from Tulsi Gabbard’s desk about the JFK assassination, past CIA operations and MK-Ultra is appalling and un-American! This is outrageous! She is the DNI Director and has every right to see every single one of those files! It is interesting they’d go out of their way to raid her office and seize them. What are they hiding? I must give Tulsi credit, she has demanded the declassification of files on the JFK, RFK and MLK assassinations, UFOS, past CIA covert operations, and MK-Ultra so the public will finally get the full story on them.

But the CIA don’t want that. The deep state and Donald Trump and the MAGA movement have long been at odds with one another. MAGA Republicans like President Trump, DNI Director Tulsi Gabbard and Representative Anna-Paulina Luna of Florida are fighting for accountability and transparency from the deep state. The deep state wants to keep any secrets they want as long as they want and to have 100% free reign to do whatever they want. They want no checks or balances, no oversight and no limits. That is who this war within our government is between. People who want the truth told and those who don’t. The CIA doesn’t have the greatest track record when it comes to following the law or operating in a way that is consistent with our laws and values. Same with the rest of the intelligence community. This is what Trump and his allies are fighting to change! The intelligence agencies are way out of control! The NSA was just a few years ago, caught spying on foreign leaders and the Pope.

During the War on Terror in the early to mid 2000s, the CIA ran a torture program at Guantanamo Bay. Either the CIA would torture detainees or they’d be taken to countries like Egypt and Romania where human rights laws were nonexistent and had them tortured there. The CIA waterboarded people, made them stand up for hours on end, blasted loud music at them, kept them in scorching heat or freezing cold, exploited their individual phobias, had them walk around naked including in front of females, shined bright lights in their eyes, and blindfolded them, had them stand on a bucket and told them if they stepped down they’d be electrocuted. Horrific stuff like that the CIA had no problem doing. Former CIA director and Trump enemy Gina Haspel was deeply involved with that kind of stuff. Between 1945 and 1959, the CIA in Operation Paperclip, took 1,600 scientists, engineers, and technicians from former Nazi Germany, brought them to the United States and hired them to work for them. This would include several confirmed members of the Nazi Party, SS and SA. Some of them were war criminals who’d taken part in the Holocaust. The CIA also protected and hired the infamous Imperial Japanese Unit 631 who conducted horrific experiments in germ warfare on innocent civilians.

The CIA toppled democratically elected governments in Iran, Guatemala, Indonesia, and Chile and replaced them with brutal dictators. With the MK-Ultra Experiments from the 1950s to the 1970s, the agency experimented with mind control. They subjected unwitting subjects to dangerous and unethical experiments this would include administrating psychedelic drugs like LSD and sensory deprivation to manipulate brain functions. They also often broke their own charter, and operated domestically including doing wiretapping of American citizens. The CIA has also been proven to have extrajudicially kidnapped and detained hundreds of people. This is just a FEW of the bad things they’ve done and I’m just getting warmed up!

Noah Otte's avatar

This is a most important topic, so here are some good books on the CIA and the deep state’s many misdeeds:

* Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA by Tim Wiener

* Enemies: A History of the FBI by Tim Wiener

* The Mission: The CIA in the 21st Century by Tim Wiener

* Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties by Tom O’Neill

* Poisoner in Chief: Sidney Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control by Stephen Kinzer

* All the Shah’s Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror by Stephen Kinzer

* Operation Paperclip: The Secret Intelligence Program that Brought Nazi Scientists to America by Anne Jacobsen

* Operation Gladio: The Unholy Alliance between The Vatican, The CIA and the Mafia by Paul L. Williams

* Phenomena: The Secret History of the U.S. Government’s Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis by Anne Jacobsen

* The Burglary: The Discovery of J. Edgar Hoover’s Secret FBI by Betty Medsger

* Hoover’s War on Gays: Exposing the FBI “Sex Deviants” Program by Douglas M. Charles

* A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA’s Cold War Experiments by H.L. Albarelli Jr.

* Bitter Fruit: The Story of the American Coup in Guatemala, Revised and Expanded by Stephen Schlesinger

* Unit 731 Cover-up: The Operation Paperclip of the East by Haddie Beckham