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Wonderful writing supporting truths. TY, Rod.

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Back in my long-lost youth, there was an anecdote that made the rounds, attributed to one of the early SecGens (I believe it was Dag Hammarskjold): "Here at the UN, everything disappears. If there's a conflict between two small countries, the conflict disappears. If there's a conflict between a large country and a small one, the small country disappears. And if there's a conflict between two large countries...the UN disappears!"

The UN has about as much to do with the "de-moralization" (for want of a better term, but certainly far more descriptive--even in your own terms!--than "criminalization") of war since 1945 as the League of Nations had between the wars, during which time most of the nations of the world signed the Kellogg-Briand Pact which was supposed to outlaw war for all time. How'd that work out?

And even if you assign some role to the UN, it is no more significant than any role that might have been played by the Concert of Europe--the 19th-century version of the UN or the League--in maintaining the so-called "Long Peace" between 1815 and 1914. The real result was that international conflict--including wars of conquest--were simply exported from Western Europe to other, less-developed parts of the world.

But let's get back to the UN. No wars of conquest? How about Israel's being the target of not one, not two, not three, but FOUR separate, coordinated, international attempts to eradicate it from the map? That would be 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973 (I am old enough to have lived through the last of these as a teenager: at the time we all thought we were going to die in a nuclear exchange after it seemed the USSR might actively intervene on the side of its client state, Egypt).

And the UN's role in all that? Lots of speeches; meaningless resolutions (necessarily so: the USSR stood ready to veto anything actually meaningful); and--after the dust had settled--patrolling the battlefield and bayoneting the wounded.

Since I mention the USSR's pivotal role in preventing the UN from acting, let's talk about the conflict in which they figured that out: Korea. The ONLY reason the US was able to get UN backing for its defense of Korea from the North's aggression was that the Soviets--unaccountably--decided to boycott the Security Council, allowing the other four permanent members--the US, UK, France and the ROC--to prod the UN into "action."

Would the NORK attempt to "reunify" the Korean Peninsula count as a "war of conquest"? I certainly do: no less so than the North Vietnamese conquest of what was by 1975 a sovereign nation, the Republic of Vietnam. And what role did the UN play in Korea? As a fig-leaf for a US-led international coalition. That's all. The UN needed the US, not the other way around.

You said a couple of things that are in fact quite correct: the post-War "peace" was largely if not entirely underpinned by two factors: the Bomb, and the United States. Indeed it's the combination of the two, as I daresay if the post-War order had seen the USSR as sole owner of the Bomb rather than the US...let's say we'd likely not be having this discussion. But the UN role? Negligible at best, toxic at worst.

I normally find myself largely in agreement with you. But not today.

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